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Poster: TheGreat_and_Knowledgable Date: Mar 30, 2007 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: String Cheese covers guess what song

String Cheese Incident covered....Shakedown Street. Its only 3 minutes long though. I didnt hear it yet, as ivfe only downloaded it but ill let you know what i think. They've been throwing down a really good rider cover but maybe shakedown great as well. Too bad its not on archive or seeded on etree.

3/27/07 Dobson Ice Arena , Vail, CO
thats the show if anyone cares

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Mar 30, 2007 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

String Cheese has done a number of dead covers, but they do it sparingly, making it a very nice treat when they do. I've got a decent version of Dark Hollow from 12/21/01. I've also heard a nice Sugaree (but I forget the date) and I swear they once did Eyes, but I can't verify that at the moment.

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Poster: mk ultra Date: Mar 30, 2007 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

I think SCI played Eyes on Jerry's birthday in 2001.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 30, 2007 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

Yeah. I have it. I never listen to it though. In fact, I never listen to them at all. Something about them. They were ok live ( except for some of their fans )for lack of being able to see anyone else. I just REALLY don't see why they are as big as they are except that it kind of proves what a void the Dead, and to a way lesser extent ( because I don't think of them even close to the same league but definately better than SCI ) Phish, left.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 30, 2007 5:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

When I saw them last summer, I was there for Ratdog, and it felt awkward to me because it was a night when Bobby & Co. opened. I could tell from the first note that the people who were String Cheese fans WERE STRING CHEESE FANS! I knew it was a "scene" where I had obviously missed the boat, but did not let that bother me.

Very much.

Okay, so they came off to me as working really hard to have a good time.

Sort of a "this is how we act because this band is one of those bands" kind of thing---"Look at me, ain't no other Cheese Head that's going to be judged to be more hip than I am as to what being a Cheese Head is: I know all the words to all the songs, all of which I know from the first note, and I know just where to throw my arms in the air in perfect time with the songs, and I know which songs are the ones that we're supposed to get REALLY psyched to hear", etc., etc.

I thought it was a really good band. But their fans came off to me as forcing it. The ritualistic aspect of the event that I watched did not seem to have an organic authenticity as to the experience in which its participants involved themselves. That's not to say that they weren't feeling something that was very real and fulfilling to them. As a novice observer, though, it did not look to me like the music was inspiring them as much as a sense of being part of a big, cool secret that they were keeping among themselves did. As a long-time Dead Head, I can't say I never saw anything similar at our rituals, but I really feel that on the whole, we Dead Heads were enormously more fortunate because . . . shit, do I really need to explain that to the rest of you people? I'm talking The Grateful Dead here, not The String Cheese Incident.

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Mar 30, 2007 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

I don't know, I'm a pretty big Cheese fan, and I don't feel that way at all about the fans. They seem pretty genuine. BUT...I am too young to have seen the dead (I was 11 when Jerry died), so I'm not the best judge.

If you want fans that really have to try to have a good time, see moe. or Disco Biscuits. I've seen them both once, and while they weren't awful, I couldn't imagine anyone having fun at one of these concerts unless they were completely wasted or stoned. My opinions might differ from some on this site, but I truly believe that you have to be sober to REALLY appreciate good music - to get the full experience.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 30, 2007 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

I only saw moe. once when they were on the lineup for the second Furthur Festival. Their music was nondescript and utterly forgettable. Just nothing there.

Only saw a few minutes of Disco Biscuits as we were walking in while they were coming to the end of the set in their opening slot for Phil & Friends. But I saw a lot more energy in what they did than what moe. had.

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Poster: dehead Date: Mar 30, 2007 7:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

Same thing happened the one time I saw Widespread Panic. I was wearing a Dead shirt and had countless number of people come up to me and say "that if I liked the Dead this show was going to be great". They were OK, the first set was 3, count em, 3 songs. The second set was better but I left feeling like either I missed something or they did.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 30, 2007 9:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

That's what I'm talking about. I don't think that I was exclusively right by having the impression I did, and that they were all crazy. They are/were a very good band. I really liked what thay did the one time I saw them, and I really believe their fans have every reason in the world to support them in any way they see fit. But beyond that, I was definitely out of the loop as far as the audience's part of the bigger picture. I couldn't help thinking that they were trying really hard to create a feeling that just could not create itself.

Grateful Dead concerts were different, or at least they were to me and I know they were to countless others as well. Garcia spoke many times about how the music combined with the energy of the audience, producing something that was much greater than the sum of its parts, and that he, the band, and the audience could not control it or make it happen. It either happened or it didn't. What happened took place effortlessly. Forcing it to do so was pointless. But when it did take place, there was something unique, wonderful, and intense which occurred nowhere else. If anything less were true, I would doubt that all of us would be having these converations in the first place.

This post was modified by BryanE on 2007-03-31 04:03:31

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Poster: dehead Date: Mar 30, 2007 8:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

I think you are right, Dead shows were fluid, seamless, happenings that either you got or you didn't. I don't remember anyone ever telling me how a show was going to be or how it would affect me. Everyone was relaxed and enjoyed themselves without trying.

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Poster: jbillerb_azscifan Date: Apr 2, 2007 12:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

I have to give my 2 cents worth here. I saw well over 100 Dead shows and just about as many SCI shows. All I can say is that ALOT of us that follow Cheese around used to follow the Dead. They are the only bands that did it and do it for us. The two bands are different for sure with alot of commonality in that I always leave SCI shows with the feeling that I cannot get this wonderful thing anywhere else and the same was true with the GD.

One thing to point out, seeing SCI play one set shows is like , well seeing half a GD show.... incomplete.

As far as the fans go there are no kinder sincere people anywhere, except Dead fans. Although that changed alot toward the end and is true today at Ratdog, Phil and Friends etc. shows. The GD scene has changed abunch as alot of people that wanna be part of something started going to the shows to 'Be Cool' , do drugs and act stupid.

I have taped shows for 25 years and the worst experiences that I have had were at GD shows and Later at 'The Dead' and Phil shows - mostly dealing with rude and obnoxous tapers and fans. Don't get me wrong, cause the VERY BEST time I have ever had was recording Dead shows all through the 80's up until 95. All I am saying is that alot of the same family layed back feeling that was so great about following the Dead around is very much the same with SCI today.

Love and Peace - JB
P.S. - SCI Tapers Spread the Cheese

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Poster: mk ultra Date: Mar 30, 2007 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

A scene is a scene. A show is a show. Music is music. Who's keeping secrets?...please let the cat out of the bag!!!

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 30, 2007 8:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

You're right, because that was a petty clumsy attempt at expressing some vague thoughts I had. I came off as being elitist and condescending toward String Cheese Incident's audience, which I have no right to do. If you're interested, though, my reply to what delhead posted in the thread more aptly describes what I believe.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 31, 2007 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

not clumsy at all Bryan. Sounds exactly what I felt too

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Poster: rosey842 Date: Mar 30, 2007 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

I brought this up in a thread earlier this week, looking for "other jam bands" to check out. People gave recommendations & I checked them out but I agree, I don't get the big to-do over SCI, etc.

I would say if you do like acoustic playing, if you haven't already heard them, check out Yonder Mt. & Hot Buttered Rum String Bands. To me, they keep more of the bluegrass feel while giving it some original treatments & songs.

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Mar 30, 2007 9:02pm
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Hot Buttered Rum - good call!

I saw them play on 4/20 last year in good ol' harrisburg, PA. There were like 50 people there, but shit, we had some good fun. Everybody was dancing like crazy. That night they covered Franklin's Tower and New Speedway Boogie. I almost shit my pants when they pulled out NSB.

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Poster: TheGreat_and_Knowledgable Date: Mar 30, 2007 9:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

ive seen moe. at starland. I do not do drugs, weed included. I did not drink then. It was a pretty good show, the fans were pretty cool. Except for this 60 year old man smoking rocks out of a pipe in front of me who got kicked out. That was just weird. He would take a puff under his shirt, then look at us and dance saying shit we could not understand.

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Poster: dehead Date: Mar 30, 2007 9:28pm
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maybe it was smi2les

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Mar 30, 2007 9:25pm
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My experience of moe fans is limited. Only seen them once, opening for Allman Brothers. There were several moe fans there who left before ABB came out. I couldn't believe it. Why the f*ck would you pay $40 to see one set of moe.? And how could you miss out on Allmans? Those same moe fans were really annoying, though, so I was glad to see them go.

My beef with moe fans lies more in the fact that I agree with BryanE - they are pretty weak. I think they can jam ok, but their songs bore the crap out of me. I guess I just can't see how anybody can be a diehard moe. fan.

Oh, and G&K, that's cool that you aren't into drugs. Neither am I, but I do drink - rarely at shows mostly because of the price. Plus, I'm a beer snob, so half the time I can't even buy a beer I'm willing to drink at a show.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 30, 2007 10:04pm
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I worked for a guy who had pretty distorted taste in music, IMHO. He got a block of tix for Bob Dylan with the Brian Setzer Orchestra opening, and gave a pair to me and my wife. No question, the set from Setzer and his band was just spectacular, including Stray Cat Strut>Pink Panther Theme>Stray Cat Strut. They were just terrific. And as soon as the lights came up for intermission, my boss and his entourage left.

Somewhat unfortunately, this was the only Dylan concert I've ever seen. But a number of long-time fans that I know who've seen him several times were there, and they all agreed it was maybe the best Dylan show they ever saw. Like I said, Setzer was great, but to leave after his set and blow off Bob?

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 30, 2007 10:00pm
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Rosey-
I remember when you posted that a few days ago. Right about the same time, I had been listening to some older guitar rock from the 70's I hadn't heard in a while. I don't know how old you are or your interests beyond Grateful Dead music. You were inquiring about "jam bands," which is, essentially, the name slapped on a lump of acts that has came into its own since the Dead reached the end of their trip, so these other things don't qualify as such. Nonetheless, I can recommend a few people who produced some very cool music. Maybe you know them, maybe you don't.

Try Robin Trower's album Bridge of Sighs. Tommy Bolin recorded some great stuff after spending time as a replacement for Joe Walsh in The James Gang and Ritchie Blackmore in Deep Purple. You can find tasty material on Teaser, such as Homeward Strut, Marching Powder, and Savannah Woman. And the album Private Eyes has Bustin' Out For Rosey (hey, that one might appeal to you on a personal level) and the long, somewhat overproduced but fun-filled Post Toastee. And if you've never given Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush a try, the best cut to get you started is probably Dragonfly. If you like progressive jazz, one of my favorites from that same era has always been the Romantic Warrior album by Return to Forever: Chick Corea on keyboards; Stanley Clarke on bass; Al DiMeola on guitar; Lenny White on percussion. They were sometimes accused of being showoffs, playing so many notes so rapidly that it was almost impossible to even hear what they were doing, but there is some really fine music there, regardless.

This post was modified by BryanE on 2007-03-31 05:00:54

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Poster: rosey842 Date: Mar 31, 2007 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: String Cheese covers guess what song

BryanE,

Thanks for the input. I'm 35 but I'm open to all kinds of music. I have heard RTF & enjoy that sound, also the Miles Davis electric sound, etc. I'm not as well versed in some of the 70's sound as I probably should be but I know older friends of mine have to have this in their collections. They were the same guys who helped turn me onto Zappa & Bromberg. They even showed me there is more to Boz Scaggs than "Lido Shuffle." I'll give them a listen. Thanks.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 31, 2007 8:55am
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Big YEAH to Boz! Love Boz Scaggs, even Lido, Breakdown, Dinah Flo. Loan Me a Dime: great, great, great blues!

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Poster: dehead Date: Mar 30, 2007 10:18pm
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BryanE makes some good recommendations. Bridge of sighs and Teaser are both excellent. I don't know Mahogany Rush. But I saw Return to Forever at the Academy of Music in Phila circa 1981 and they were unbelievable. They had us out of our seats the entire show. Romantic Warrior is a great album.

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Poster: jbillerb_azscifan Date: Mar 31, 2007 11:01am
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I have to give my 2 cents worth here. I saw well over 100 Dead shows and just about as many SCI shows. All I can say is that ALOT of us that follow Cheese around used to follow the Dead. They are the only bands that did it and do it for us. The two bands are different for sure with alot of commonality in that I always leave SCI shows with the feeling that I cannot get this wonderful thing anywhere else and the same was true with the GD.

One thing to point out, seeing SCI play one set shows is like , well seeing half a GD show.... incomplete.

As far as the fans go there are no kinder sincere people anywhere, except Dead fans. Although that changed alot toward the end and is true today at Ratdog, Phil and Friends etc. shows. The GD scene has changed abunch as alot of people that wanna be part of something started going to the shows to 'Be Cool' , do drugs and act stupid.

I have taped shows for 25 years and the worst experiences that I have had were at GD shows and Later at 'The Dead' and Phil shows - mostly dealing with rude and obnoxous tapers and fans. Don't get me wrong, cause the VERY BEST time I have ever had was recording Dead shows all through the 80's up until 95. All I am saying is that alot of the same family layed back feeling that was so great about following the Dead around is very much the same with SCI today.

Love and Peace - JB
P.S. - SCI Tapers Spread the Cheese

This post was modified by jbillerb_azscifan on 2007-03-31 18:01:38

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Poster: cush11 Date: Mar 31, 2007 11:39am
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Off topic but... Another Zonie?

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Poster: jbillerb_azscifan Date: Apr 2, 2007 12:23am
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Sorry,
This was supposed to be a reply to folks farther on up the thread ...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 31, 2007 4:17pm
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You guys know the story of Mahogany rush right? Where Marino was in a hospital and SWEARS he never played guitar and when he awoke from his coma or whatever his deal was he believed Hendrix channelled him and he instatnly knew how to play guitar.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 31, 2007 4:23pm
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I have read that about Frank Marino. And it is because of it that some people believe, and they feel it is with good reason, that Marino is a couple of McNuggets shy of a Happy Meal.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 31, 2007 4:41pm
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listen to Strange Universe and more here >>
http://www.mahoganyrush.com/albums.htm

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 31, 2007 4:43pm
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maybe he is. Good guitarist though. Does a better Jimi Hendrix impersonation than Lenny Kravitz. Sorry but that's kind of how I see him, good guitarist but not all that original.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 31, 2007 8:58am
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Final word from on the SCI subject. If I've stepped on the toes of SCI fans, I offer a laurel of peace. It makes me happy to know that there is something out there that is a source of musical wonderment and promotes good will among those willing to seek it. Some of the things I said last night had a bigoted tone, and I am sorry for ticking off those that I did. As I did say, from my limited experience, I think they are a really fine band. Given the chance I would definitely see them again. For those of you who are still able to catch their shows before they call it quits, reportedly later this year, have a great time!

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Mar 31, 2007 1:00pm
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No need for a peace offering (although I accept it if you feel you need to offer it) - I felt as if you handled your criticism fairly and intelligently. I felt as if this was one of the more controlled and productive debates on here. Nobody resorted to name calling or personal insults (except a bit towards moe. - sorry moe. fans). We are (for the most part) primarily deadheads anyway, so we're pretty much all on the same page when it comes to this stuff anyway.

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Poster: mk ultra Date: Mar 31, 2007 1:49pm
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Well said JamminJerome. There is nothing like the good ol' Grateful Dead.

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